"What I am interested in for a long time is the impetus towards such an enormous extension of destructivity that we have now, and as I said, we are building towards much bigger. ... and so, what I am interested in, is the impetus - and I repeatedly come back to Christianity. Now, my approach to development - is connected with this abnegation of the body, this punishment of the body, the crucifixion of the living body which is active in Christianity, and I see this in connection with philosophies around that, moving towards what we have today. For example in architecture: You go into a modern building, a university or a library, and what do you find? You find the roof as low as can be, and it is concrete and it is flat - and you can go into corridor after corridor, and every story will be the same.This means that you can not say, that if I go to that story - if I go to that level, I can breathe differently. You can not - you are forced to breathe, you are forced to move, and that is the Jesuits in a sense: The discipline, the abnegation of the flesh, the punishment of the flesh. It is illustrated in our cities, in our philosophy, in our governments, in almost everything. Do not misunderstand me, I am not putting all the blame on one thing - it is a development, an interaction, but I see it necessary to try and understand where we are at - because where we are at is horrific - it is at the end"